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Topic Started: Jul 22 2008, 08:45 PM (1,068 Views)
35thPony	Jul 22 2008, 08:45 PM Post #1
Carolina Hurricanes... This is my Stanley Cup '06 Posts: 2,086 Group: Members Member #159 Joined: November 11, 2005	no f***ing clue how to pitch... I'm not talking physically... Mentally the guy is an idiot on the mound... He has no clue where he is in the count, no clue what hitters strengths are, and makes terrible pitches... Nice arm and a ten cent head... Chalk tonight up with the 0-2 pitch to Ryan Howard he threw



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 06:45 AM Post #2
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	Wow Pony, he throws two bad pitches, and you get on him. He leads the team in appearances and holds. Look at the stats! They aren't bad, and he's been a very good reliever this year. He makes a couple of bad pitches and then you say he has no clue how to pitch! You do this all the time! Why don't you actually pay more attention, and get a clue before you post on here and say a guy sucks. W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO 2 5 2.96 49 0 0 0 1 5 54.2 52 18 18 6 14 44 Edited by strikeout18, Jul 23 2008, 06:46 AM.



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 06:51 AM Post #3
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	Oh, and he's second in holds in the MLB



Prospect Fever	Jul 23 2008, 07:11 AM Post #4
Stl Cardinal Admin Posts: 9,542 Group: Admin Member #10 Joined: August 15, 2005	he's been awful in too many clutch situations



35thPony	Jul 23 2008, 07:23 AM Post #5
Carolina Hurricanes... This is my Stanley Cup '06 Posts: 2,086 Group: Members Member #159 Joined: November 11, 2005	He gets hit EXTREMELY hard... He has walked in runs in extra innings, he pitches like an idiot a number of times... the 0-2 pitch to Howard was the worst pitch thrown by a Cardinal in a long time... He had a nice arm and when he throws in non-tight situations, he pitches well.. Because he doesn't have to do much thinking... Apply thinking to his pitching in tie games, close games, etc, and he's a mess... You guy WAY over value is contribution, I mean WAY... People are batting .265 off him this year, which is pretty average for middle reliever, but I'd love to see his stats in tight games, because his pitches get blistered the more thinking and execution is required



35thPony	Jul 23 2008, 07:25 AM Post #6
Carolina Hurricanes... This is my Stanley Cup '06 Posts: 2,086 Group: Members Member #159 Joined: November 11, 2005	strikeout18 Jul 23 2008, 06:45 AM Wow Pony, he throws two bad pitches, and you get on him. He leads the team in appearances and holds. Look at the stats! They aren't bad, and he's been a very good reliever this year. He makes a couple of bad pitches and then you say he has no clue how to pitch! You do this all the time! Why don't you actually pay more attention, and get a clue before you post on here and say a guy sucks. W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO 2 5 2.96 49 0 0 0 1 5 54.2 52 18 18 6 14 44 LOL, you tell me to pay more attention... Look in the mirror dude... You are the typical stat man.. You look at stats and make assertions... I don't give a shit what those stats say... I have seen him melt down in nealy all his pressure situations... Stop looking at stats and watch the games, or at least look at the situations in which he routinely fails



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 07:27 AM Post #7
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	True but he shouldn't even be in those situations, if we got rid of Izzy and had Perez as closer, Franklin could pitch in the tight eight innings, but of course, TRL still has faith in Izzy.



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 07:29 AM Post #8
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	He does have 26, holds, and i'v seen alot of them, and half of them have been in 1 or 2 run games. Also, he's a first year rookie, so we can't really judge the pressure situations yet. Young Players get better at those situations as time goes on, you can't expect him to come in his first year and be good in pressure situations.



35thPony	Jul 23 2008, 07:31 AM Post #9
Carolina Hurricanes... This is my Stanley Cup '06 Posts: 2,086 Group: Members Member #159 Joined: November 11, 2005	strikeout18 Jul 23 2008, 07:27 AM True but he shouldn't even be in those situations, if we got rid of Izzy and had Perez as closer, Franklin could pitch in the tight eight innings, but of course, TRL still has faith in Izzy. Well that puts us closer to the same page... I'm just saying.. That 0-2 pitch to Howard is the epitome of McClellan as a pitcher right now... Gets 0-2 on Howard with some nice pitches, then, to one of the least disciplined 2 strike batters in the entire league, throws a fat fastball down the middle of the plate... IDIOT... You should bounce your slider or curve ball on the next two pitches.... Edited by 35thPony, Jul 23 2008, 07:32 AM.



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 08:08 AM Post #10
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	True, i wasn't really thinking when i posted, and Sorry for going off on you.



AWvsCBsteeeerike3	Jul 23 2008, 08:48 AM Post #11
Manager Posts: 2,409 Group: Members Member #472 Joined: November 15, 2006	strikeout18 Jul 23 2008, 07:29 AM He does have 26, holds, and i'v seen alot of them, and half of them have been in 1 or 2 run games. Also, he's a first year rookie, so we can't really judge the pressure situations yet. Young Players get better at those situations as time goes on, you can't expect him to come in his first year and be good in pressure situations. You don't know that half of his holds are in 1 or 2 run games. You're just making that up. Plus, he pitches like shit in pressure situations. I would say he is one of the least clutch players on the team right now. He does have good stuff, but sometimes, like pony said, he just makes stupid mistakes. And, yes, you can judge a pitcher's ability to handle pressure situations in his rookie year. Wainwright comes to mind as one that passed with flying colors.



The Gatekeeper	Jul 23 2008, 10:05 AM Post #12
Veteran Posts: 405 Group: Members Member #2,045 Joined: May 7, 2007	Give the guy a break. He is a rookie who never seen AAA ball. he came straight from AA. Gees. SO if Jess Todd were to pitch and struggled at times he woudl be a bust too? Come on now. I think McClennan has done well this year. Besides he is our best guy in the BP to get Lefties out.



WalkingSnake	Jul 23 2008, 12:19 PM Post #13
Manager Posts: 1,145 Group: Members Member #343 Joined: August 28, 2006	AWvsCBsteeeerike3 Jul 23 2008, 08:48 AM strikeout18 Jul 23 2008, 07:29 AM He does have 26, holds, and i'v seen alot of them, and half of them have been in 1 or 2 run games. Also, he's a first year rookie, so we can't really judge the pressure situations yet. Young Players get better at those situations as time goes on, you can't expect him to come in his first year and be good in pressure situations. You don't know that half of his holds are in 1 or 2 run games. Since a hold essential requires a lead to be 3 runs or less, it can be assumed that many of those are 1 or 2 run games. I think you're all expecting Cy Young out of a rookie bullpen reliever. What you're getting is a good, but largely overused pitcher that still makes plenty of rookie mistakes. If you're expecting every rookie reliever to be like Waino, you're really getting your hopes up for something that's not gonna happen. McClellan has never been a top prospect, yet he's appeared in almost half of the games this year.



35thPony	Jul 23 2008, 02:03 PM Post #14
Carolina Hurricanes... This is my Stanley Cup '06 Posts: 2,086 Group: Members Member #159 Joined: November 11, 2005	If you think he's done well, ur not paying attention... Five losses out of the pen for a one inning guy who is not a closer is a ton



Williamsville13	Jul 23 2008, 02:40 PM Post #15
PM me for sigs Posts: 709 Group: Members Member #2,062 Joined: May 9, 2007 Favorite Cardinal Brendan Ryan Hometown Williamsville, Illinois	I think he should pitch, but not in the majors, send him down to AAA for a while, I mean, he needs to build up, he has all the tools, but his mind messes with him sometimes, I would like to see him in the majors, but just not this soon, he has the potential to be a good mid reliever someday, but right now he needs to work on his game a little bit, I am sure he will have a spot in our bullpen sometime in the future.



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 03:03 PM Post #16
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	Thank you GateKeeper and Walking Snake, for helping back me up and prove the point i was trying to make. And Will, that is a good idea. Or we could keep him up here, but not put him in during pressure situations until he is ready. Let Dave Duncan work with him for a while, and i believe we can get that ironed out.



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 03:09 PM Post #17
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	And Pony, he may be bad in pressure situations doesnt' mean he has so called " no f-ing clue how to pitch" I mean, like we all said, he is a rookie, 24 years old {, and as gatekeeper mentioned, never played in AAA. Didn't he have a injury setback also? Oh, and you try to go out there and pitch!!!!!!!!! I don't mean like professionally, but you know even if your not a new pitcher, if your at a new level or in a new situation, it takes time to adjust. And you can't ask a MLB rookie pitcher to adjust in less than a year, espicially if they didn't Play AAA, due to the fact that AAA is as close as you can't get to the Majors without not being in them. So he basically skipped a whole step in his maturing process as a pitcher.



Williamsville13	Jul 23 2008, 03:20 PM Post #18
PM me for sigs Posts: 709 Group: Members Member #2,062 Joined: May 9, 2007 Favorite Cardinal Brendan Ryan Hometown Williamsville, Illinois	strikeout18 Jul 23 2008, 03:03 PM Thank you GateKeeper and Walking Snake, for helping back me up and prove the point i was trying to make. And Will, that is a good idea. Or we could keep him up here, but not put him in during pressure situations until he is ready. Let Dave Duncan work with him for a while, and i believe we can get that ironed out. The thing is, if he can't pitch in a pressure situation, than why would he pitch at all? There is no reason to waste space in our bullpen with someone who obviously needs to work on his game before he can be a good pitcher.



35thPony	Jul 23 2008, 03:34 PM Post #19
Carolina Hurricanes... This is my Stanley Cup '06 Posts: 2,086 Group: Members Member #159 Joined: November 11, 2005	Williamsville, thank you... Um I guarantee I wouldn't have throw a ball down the middle 0-2 to Howard... I LOVE it when people say, why don't you try and do it better... That usually shows a sign of a young person... It makes no sense to ask me to try and do better... I don't make 100,000's of thousands of dollars to play a game...



strikeout18	Jul 23 2008, 03:49 PM Post #20
Veteran Posts: 315 Group: Members Member #3,410 Joined: April 30, 2008 Favorite Cardinal Albert Pujols and Rick Ankiel Hometown Arnold,MO	If you read the freaking context, you would see that i said "not at a pro level". And Williaiamsville, we have a whole bunch of pitchers that aren't good at pressure situations, and shouldnm't be pitching in them {cough} Izzy {Cough}



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